Friday, April 28, 2006


"This represents the fact that Jesus, when you partake of this, this represents that his blood has wash you clean of all sin. And therefore you are gods you have been purchased by the blood of Jesus."
(Rory Alec - The Christian Channel Europe "Good Morning Europe" Date Unknown)

"No Devil on this earth will stop this ministry and I would warn you this morning don't speak evil of the things of God. Do not speak evil of the projects of the Lord God."

(Rory Alec - The Christian Channel Europe "Good Morning Europe" Date Unknown)
More to follow....

Saturday, April 22, 2006


"There is no place in the Bible where people were lined up and Jesus or Paul or anyone else went along and bapped them on the head and watched them go down, one after another, and somebody else ran along behind. Can you picture Peter and James -- "Hold it, hold it, hold it!" -- running along behind trying to catch them? And so the model that we're seeing, either on stage or on television, is totally different from anything that's in Scripture."
(John Wimber, "Spiritual Phenomena: Slain In The Spirit -- Part 1," Vineyard Christian Fellowship, Anaheim, CA, 1981, audiotape)

'There's nothing in Scripture that supports these kinds of phenomena that I can see, and I can't think of anything throughout the church age that would,' Wimber writes. 'So I feel no obligation to try to explain it. It's just phenomena. It's just people responding to God.'

"In the final chapters I address the implications of power evangelism for conservative evangelicalism, Pentecostalism and the charismatic renewal in mainline denominations and the Roman Catholic Church. Though I write about power evangelism, the most powerful evangelism will come only when Jesus' prayer for Christian unity is fulfilled."

"He holds a radical Arminianism (some might well argue it is Pelagianism). Wimber seems to have little or no appreciation of the doctrine of the Fall and speaks of being involved in "restoring the Edenic state" in and through his ministry."

(Assessing the Wimber Phenomenon, Dr. Don Lewis)

Monday, April 17, 2006

TD Jakes - Time Magazine And CNN

To listen to this audio message, please click on the blue speaker.

Bishop Jakes has over 30,000 members and has the accolades from Time magazine and CNN.
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Friday, April 14, 2006



The 'Word Faith' Movement

by Chris Hand

Picture this church. Wouldn’t you like to be part of it? Its meetings draw huge numbers, with reports of conversions and amazing testimonies. Compelling speakers deliver word-perfect addresses liberally sprinkled with Bible quotations.

Its statements of faith seem orthodox and evangelical, and there are vigorous programmes to help poor and disadvantaged people. Besides this, you will be encouraged to study the Bible and pray, to be extravagant in your giving, and to believe that nothing is too difficult for God.
Finally you will be surrounded by enthusiastic people eager to grow in faith.
Are you interested in joining? Just pause before you do. I am describing the ‘Word-faith’ or ‘prosperity gospel’ movement.

A word about ‘Word-faith’

We must recognise that the term ‘Word-faith’ embraces a variety of views. The teachings of Kenneth Hagin, the acknowledged elder statesman of the movement, are not identical to those of Kenneth Copeland, arguably its most prominent and successful minister.

Robert Tilton, Jerry Savelle, Frederick Price, Marilyn Hickey, Andrew Wommack, Creflo Dollar and Rodney Howard-Browne (credited with beginning the ‘Toronto Blessing’) belong to the genre but each has distinctive views.

Benny Hinn and Oral Roberts rub shoulders with them at many points, but distance themselves from certain ‘Word-faith’ teachings. So generalisation is difficult.
But here are a few reasons why this movement should not be regarded as sound and biblical.

Unbiblical worldview

The average ‘Word-faith’ teacher inhabits a different world from the average Evangelical —a world of ‘spiritual forces’ and ‘legal contracts’.

The spiritual forces are ‘the laws of faith’. These laws (they say) are there for anyone to use, believer or non-believer. The key to their use is to believe that you can make things come into existence simply by ‘confessing’ them into being — so-called ‘positive confession’.

The spoken word, they tell us, is the outworking of faith — which is where the term ‘Word-faith’ comes from. So if you are actually poor and sick, you must exercise faith and positively confess that you are well and going to be rich.

Apparently, God himself submits to these principles. In a novel interpretation of Hebrews 11:3 — ‘By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God’ — we are told that the faith spoken of is God’s rather than ours.

Kenneth Hagin declares: ‘The God kind of faith ... is the kind of faith that spoke the world into existence … God created the universe with words. Words filled with faith are the most powerful things in all the world’.

Kenneth Copeland puts it like this: ‘God is a faith being … God does not do anything outside of faith’.

Salvation is also possessed ‘by faith’, but not as most of us know it! A ‘Word-faith’ preacher expounding Romans 1:17 on television explained how we must first confess we have salvation and then it becomes ours.

Legal contract

The ‘legal contract’ element looks at how the Lord regains control of the world over which he supposedly lost dominion after the Fall.
Man was originally made like a god on the earth but forfeited this position when he sinned and made the devil his ruler. The devil now has ‘landlord’s rights’ over the earth. God is powerless to act.

Hagin explains it thus: ‘God cannot evict Satan until the lease expires. Were he to do so, Satan could accuse him of wrongdoing: God doesn’t just move in on top of Satan. If he did this, Satan could accuse him of doing the same thing he did’.
A ‘legal loophole’ opens up to God when the Lord Jesus is ‘taken from the cross and tortured in hell by the devil’.

Being sinless, the Lord is being illegally held, so that the devil’s ‘landlord’s agreement’ is rendered null and void. The way is open for Christ to be ‘born again’ in hell where he defeats the devil.

This is an admittedly brief summary. Much more could be said along similar lines. But it alerts us to the unbiblical approach of ‘Word-faith’ doctrine to God’s dealings with our world.


The orthodoxy of this movement is further called in question when some ‘Word-faith’ teachers virtually elevate man to deity.
Born-again believers are promoted to a privileged position which vastly exceeds that taught in the Bible. Here is an alleged ‘conversation’ between Copeland and the Lord about the Lord defeating the devil in hell.

‘He said, "A born-again man [Jesus] defeated Satan, the firstborn of many brethren defeated him ... You are the very image and the very copy of that one" ... And I said, "Well now you don’t mean, you couldn’t dare mean, that I could have done the same thing?" He said, "Oh, yeah, if you’d known that, had the knowledge of the Word of God that he did, you could have done the same thing. Cause you’re a reborn man too".’


The powers indiscriminately delegated to believers appear limitless. We can ‘speak’ health and wealth into being because ‘the material world is subservient to the spiritual one’.
Master the laws of the spiritual world, and you have mastered the principles governing physical health and the creation and distribution of wealth.

Here is man trespassing where God holds the prerogative. Its man-centred pandering to human pride and crude materialism is transparent. Were not New Testament disciples frequently sick, suffering and poor?

When this biblical reality intrudes, the case for the power-filled, circumstance-dominating life portrayed by ‘word-faith’ teachers collapses spectacularly.

A lesser God

The other side to this is that God is systematically relegated. He too has to act according to the ‘rules of faith’. Unlike the God of Scripture, he has lost control of the world to the devil.
He cannot regain control until the devil makes a legal blunder. And he has given so much power to man that he has virtually abdicated his throne.

This impression is further borne out by bizarre teachings about the person and power of God. Copeland asserts that the Lord is ‘a being that stands somewhere around 6’2’’ ... weighs somewhere in the neighbourhood of a couple of hundred pounds ... [and] has a span of nine inches across’.

And where does he get this information? Apparently it is deduced from Isaiah 40:12.
Neither is the Almighty accorded overmuch dignity. Kenneth Hagin recounts an occasion when the Lord was powerless to deal with a demon until Hagin himself commanded it to go.
Rodney Howard-Browne tells how he threatened God — that unless he came down and touched him, he was going up to heaven to touch God. Man’s authority and power having been confidently mastered, the place of God looks less and less central.

Light-years from orthodoxy

The person of Christ is also understood erroneously. We are told that on earth his deity was concealed, his miracles being the work of a Spirit-empowered man — nothing more.

Thus Copeland tells us: ‘He’d set aside his divine power and had taken on the form of a human being — with all its limitations … They don’t realise, that when Jesus came to earth he voluntarily gave up that advantage, living his life here not as God, but as a man.

‘He had no innate supernatural powers. He had no ability to perform miracles until after he was anointed by the Holy Spirit as recorded in Luke 3:22 ... he ministered as a man anointed by the Holy Spirit.’

This deficient doctrine gets no better when Copeland describes Christ bearing our sin — according to Copeland, Jesus actually took on the nature of Satan when he suffered on the cross!

All Christ’s perfections, as God and sinless man, are entirely lost from view. He has to be rescued from this situation by being ‘born again’ in hell.

All of this is light-years away from orthodoxy, disastrously confusing the person and atoning work of our Lord and eclipsing the matchless Christ of the Bible.

A last word

Much more could be said. The worldly fund-raising methods and false prophecies typical of this movement would fill the pages of a hefty volume.

The stage-managed meetings, replete with showmanship, self-promotion and manipulation, breathe another spirit than the biblical model of ministry and preaching.
Miraculous claims go unsubstantiated or collapse on closer investigation. Sick and suffering people return disappointed from the meetings, some having been told that their lack of faith explains their failure to be healed.

With the wild excesses of so-called ‘ministry times’ — marked by ‘slayings in the Spirit’ and hysterical laughter — the unbiblical nature of this movement screams aloud.

For all the use of Bible texts, appearence of genuine compassion, and appearence of honest endeavour that the movement generates at its best, it still falls far short of biblical orthodoxy and soundness. It truly is a movement of man and not of God.
The casualties of ‘Word-faith’ teachings tell another story and deserve to be heard more often than they are.


Andrew Wommack says:

"You need a healing? You have a tumor? Don't pray to God about the tumor.
Talk to the tumor itself!"

But the bible says:

James 5:14
Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let him pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

Why is Andrew Wommack a false teacher?

1) Andrew Wommack is a 5 point arminian who despises the true sovereignty of God and preaches against the doctrines of grace.

2) Andrew Wommack says the biggest false teaching in the body of Christ is 'The sovereignty of God'

3) Andrew believes if you are sick it is all your fault and you are not to pray to God to heal you, but speak to the sickness and cast it away, and if you dont get healed it is because of your unbelief which does not please the Lord.

4) Andrew is a word faith teacher and a huge fan of Kenneth Hagin, Kenneth Copeland and Charles Capps etc, 90% of his teachings come directly from these men.

5) Andrew believes that in order to get more money you should actually speak to your wallet and command more money to come your way - this is where the nickname 'name it claim it' - 'blab it grab it' comes from.

6) Andrew teaches decisional regeneration.

Andrew Wrote: "It is assumed that since God is paramount or supreme that nothing can happen without His approval. That is not what the Scriptures teach. In 2 Peter 3:9, Peter said, "The Lord is...not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." This clearly states that it is not the Lord's will for anyone to perish, but people are perishing."..Relatively few people are saved compared to the number that are lost. God's will for people concerning salvation is not being accomplished. (Andrew Wommack - The Sovereignty Of God)

Well, This is nothing more and nothing less than blasphemy.

You will see below that Andrew has butchered this verse as he does to so much of God's word in order to make the word of God conform to his heretical teachings.

Let's see what the scripture really says:

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

In Job we read the following:
Job 23:13
But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth.

Who is the usward? - obviously it's the elect, because Peter is writing to:

2 peter 1:1
Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

This video sums up 2 Peter 3:9 very well:

New link coming soon

Reading such heresy does make me wonder what Andrew Wommack does with this verse:

Psalms 65:4 “Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even of thy holy temple.”

It says above that God causes the one he has chosen to approach him and recieve mercy.

what about this verse?

Psalms 110:3 “Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.”

and this one?

John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me;

Jesus said that they SHALL come to him, not maybe but SHALL. You will also see that it is all that the Father gives to him.

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day."

for more verses and a biblical defence of God's irresistible grace towards his elect children please watch the following video:

Below is a link to more articles in defence of the biblical doctrine of God's sovereign irresistible grace.

It get's even worse:

"This is because the Lord gave us the freedom to choose. He doesn't will anyone into hell. He paid for the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:2; 1 Tim. 4:10), but we must choose to put our faith in Christ and receive His salvation. People are the ones choosing hell by not choosing Jesus as their Savior. It is the free will of man that damns them, not God.

People virtually have to climb over the roadblocks that God puts in their way to continue on their course to hell. The cross of Christ and the drawing power of the Holy Spirit are obstacles that every sinner encounters. No one will ever stand before God and be able to fault Him for withholding the opportunity to be saved. The Lord woos every person to Him, but we have to cooperate. Ultimately, the Lord simply enforces the consequences of people's own choices.

God has a perfect plan for every person's life (Jer. 29:11), but He doesn't make us walk that path. We are free moral agents with the ability to choose. He has told us what the right choices are (Deut. 30:19), but He doesn't make those choices for us. God gave us the power to control our destinies." (Andrew Wommack - The Sovereignty Of God)

This people, is more blasphemous nonsense.

Here are just a few scriptures on UNCONDITIONAL election. the reason it is called unconditional is because man didn't have to meet a condition in order to be elected, it is by the sovereign good pleasure of God that one was elected from before the foundation of the world.

When 2 mormons knocked on my door last year after first telling them that i didn't want to hear their false gospel or allow them into my home (politely as possible ofcourse) I preached by God's mercy the true gospel to them and one of them said like a typical mormon trying to earn his salvation
"what can i do to be elected?" the answer is there is nothing one can do to get themselves elected or saved. those who believe the gospel have full assurance that they were chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world.

(Psalms 65:4) “Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even of thy holy temple.”

(John 6:37) “All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.”

(John 6:65) “And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.”

(John 13:18) “I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me.”

(John 15:16) “Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.”

(John 17:9) “I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.”

(Acts 13:48) “And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.”

(Romans 9:11-13) “(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)

{12} It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

{13} As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.”

(Romans 11:5) “Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.”

(Romans 11:7) “What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded”

(Ephesians 1:3-6) “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

{4} According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

(2 Timothy 1:9-10) “Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

{10} But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:”

For more verses on election please read the following:

And here is a wonderful video in defence of the biblical doctrone of unconditional election.

The reprobate/non elect perish BECAUSE of their sin - the below is from the Lambeth article of faith and is fully in line with the word of God:

God from eternity has predestined some men to life, and reprobated some to death.

The moving or efficient cause of predestination to life is not the foreseeing of faith, or of perseverance, or of good works, or of anything in the person of the predestinated, but only the will of the good pleasure of God.

There is a determined and certain number of predestined, which cannot be increased or diminished.

Those not predestinated to salvation are inevitably condemned on account of their sins.

My friend asked me about reprobation in response to a question his friend asked him - this was my answer - you will read much scripture.

Romans 11:22
"Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God"

Men seem to have the idea that they're innocent or deserve some kind of mercy.
this is not the case.

God tells us in Romans 3:8 - that the damnation of the wicked/reprobate is just

2 thessalonians 2:11-12
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should all believe a lie:
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Acts 14:16
"Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways"

Amos 3:2
"You only (Israel) have I known of all the families of the earth"

Joshua 11:18-20
"Joshua made war a long time with all those kings. There was not a city that made peace with the children of Israel, save the Hivites the inhabitants of Gibeon: all other they took in battle. For it was of the LORD to harden their hearts, that they should come against Israel in battle, that He might destroy them utterly, and that they might have no favor, but that He might destroy them as the LORD commanded Moses".

Proverbs 16:4
"The LORD hath made all things for Himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil".

Romans 9:17
"For the Scripture saith unto Pharoah, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might show My power in thee, and that My name might be declared throughout all the earth."

Exodus 9:15,16
"For now I will stretch out My hand, that I may smite thee and thy people with pestilence; and thou shalt be cut off from the earth. And in every deed for this cause have I raised thee up, for to show in thee My power; and that My name may be declared throughout all the earth".

Proverbs 16:1
"The preparations of the heart in man, and the answer of the tongue, is from the LORD"

Proverbs 21:1
"The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water, He turneth it withersoever He will"

Romans 9:18
"Therefore hath He mercy on whom He will have mercy, and whom He will He hardeneth."

John 12:37-40
"But though He had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on Him: that the saying of Esaias (Isaiah) the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed? Therefore they could not believe because that Esaias said again, He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their hearts that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them."

Romans 9:19
"Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth He yet find fault? For who hath resisted His will?"

Romans 9:20
"Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?"

Romans 9:21-23
"Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump, to make one vessel unto honor, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew His wrath, and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had afore prepared unto glory."

Romans 11:7
"What then? That which Israel seeketh for, that he obtained not, but the election obtained it, and the rest were hardened"

1 Thessalonians 5:9
"For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ."

what of the reprobate?

1 Peter 2:8
"A Stone of stumbling, and a Rock of offence, even to them who stumble at the Word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed"

2 Peter 2:12
"But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption"

Jude 4
"For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ"

Revelation 13:8
"And all that dwell on the earth shall worship him, every one whose name hath not been written from the foundation of the world in the Book of Life of the Lamb that hath been slain"

It's important to remember also that:

Ecclesiastes 7:29
"God hath made man upright: but they have sought out many inventions"

the below is from A.W Pink's book 'the sovereignty of God' - The unedited edition that Iain Murray and co from the banner of (so called) truth didn't butcher:

God's decree of Reprobation contemplated Adam's race as fallen, sinful, corrupt, guilty. From it God purposed to save a few as the monuments of His Sovereign grace; the others He determined to destroy as the exemplification of His justice and severity. In determining to destroy these others, God did them no wrong. They had already fallen in Adam, their legal representative; they are therefore born with a sinful nature, and in their sins He leaves them. Nor can they complain. This is as they wish; they have no desire for holiness; they love darkness rather than light. Where, then, is there any injustice if God "gives them up to their own heart's lusts" (Psa. 81:12).

Second, the doctrine of Reprobation does not mean that God refuses to save those who earnestly seek salvation. The fact is that the reprobate have no longing for the Saviour: they see in Him no beauty that they should desire Him. They will not come to Christ-why then should God force them to? He turns away none who do come-where then is the injustice of God foredetermining their just doom? None will be punished but for their iniquities; where then is the supposed tyrannical cruelty of the Divine procedure? Remember that God is the Creator of the wicked, not of their wickedness; He is the Author of their being, but not the Infuser of their sin.

Dont confuse the above with arminians seeking God.
Jesus said many will seek to enter but shall not be able.

God does not (as we have been slanderously reported to affirm) compel the wicked to sin, as the rider spurs on an unwilling horse. God only says in effect that awful word, "Let them alone" (Matt. 15:14). He needs only to slacken the reins of providential restraint, and withhold the influence of saving grace, and apostate man will only too soon and too surely, of his own accord, fall by his iniquities. Thus the decree of reprobation neither interferes with the bent of man's own fallen nature, nor serves to render him the less inexcusable.
Third, the decree of Reprobation in nowise conflicts with God's goodness. Though the non-elect are not the objects of His goodness in the same way or to the same extent as the elect are, yet are they not wholly excluded from a participation of it. They enjoy the good things of Providence (temporal blessings) in common with God's own children, and very often to a higher degree. But how do they improve them? Does the (temporal) goodness of God lead them to repent? Nay, verily, they do but despise "His goodness, and forbearance, and longsuffering," and "after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath" (Rom. 2:4, 5). On what righteous ground, then, can they murmur against not being the objects of His benevolence in the endless ages yet to come? Moreover, if it did not clash with God's mercy and kindness to leave the entire body of the fallen angels (2 Peter 2:4) under the guilt of their apostasy still less can it clash with the Divine perfections to leave some of fallen mankind in their sins and punish them for them.
Finally, let us interpose this necessary caution: It is utterly impossible for any of us, during the present life, to ascertain who are among the reprobate.

We must not now so judge any man, no matter how wicked he may be. The vilest sinner, may, for all we know, be included in the election of grace and be one day quickened by the Spirit of grace. Our marching orders are plain, and woe unto us if we disregard them-"Preach the Gospel to every creature." When we have done so our skirts are clear. If men refuse to heed, their blood is on their own heads; nevertheless "we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish. To the one we are a savor of death unto death; and to the other we are a savor of life unto life" (2 Cor. 2:15, 16).

We must now consider a number of passages which are often quoted with the purpose of showing that God has not fitted certain vessels to destruction or ordained certain ones to condemnation. First, we cite Ezekiel 18:31-"Why will ye die, O house of Israel?" On this passage we cannot do better than quote from the comments of Augustus Toplady:-"This is a passage very frequently, but very idly, insisted upon by Arminians, as if it were a hammer which would at one stroke crush the whole fabric to powder. But it so happens that the 'death' here alluded to is neither spiritual nor eternal death: as is abundantly evident from the whole tenor of the chapter.

The death intended by the prophet is a political death; a death of national prosperity, tranquillity, and security. The sense of the question is precisely this: What is it that makes you in love with captivity, banishment, and civil ruin. Abstinence from the worship of images might, as a people, exempt you from these calamities, and once more render you a respectable nation. Are the miseries of public devastation so alluring as to attract your determined pursuit? Why will ye die? die as the house of Israel, and considered as a political body? Thus did the prophet argue the case, at the same time adding-'For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth saith the Lord God, wherefore, turn yourselves, and live ye.' This imports: First, the national captivity of the Jews added nothing to the happiness of God. Second, if the Jews turned from idolatry, and flung away their images, they should not die in a foreign, hostile country, but live peaceably in their own land and enjoy their liberties as an independent people." To the above we may add: political death must be what is in view in Ezekiel 18:31, 32 for the simple but sufficient reason that they were already spiritually dead!

Matthew 25:41 is often quoted to show that God has not fitted certain vessels to destruction- "Depart from Me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the Devil and his angels." This is, in fact, one of the principal verses relied upon to disprove the doctrine of Reprobation. But we submit that the emphatic word here is not "for" but "Devil." This verse (see context) sets forth the severity of the judgment which awaits the lost. In other words, the above Scripture expresses the awfulness of the everlasting fire rather than the subjects of it-if the fire be "prepared for the Devil and his angels" then how intolerable it will be! If the place of eternal torment into which the damned shall be cast is the same as that in which God's arch-enemy will suffer, how dreadful must that place be!

Again: if God has chosen only certain ones to salvation, why are we told that God "now commandeth all men everywhere to repent" (Acts 17:30)? That God commandeth "all men" to repent is but the enforcing of His righteous claims as the moral Governor of the world. How could He do less, seeing that all men everywhere have sinned against Him? Furthermore, that God commandeth all men everywhere to repent argues the universality of creature responsibility. But this Scripture does not declare that it is God's pleasure to "give repentance" (Acts 5:31) everywhere. That the Apostle Paul did not believe God gave repentance to every soul is clear from his words in 2 Timothy 2:25--"In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth."

Again, we are asked, if God has "ordained" only certain ones unto eternal life then why do we read that He "will have all men to be saved, and come to the knowledge of the truth" (1 Tim. 2:4)? The reply is, that the words "all" and "all men," like the term "world," are often used in a general and relative sense. Let the reader carefully examine the following passages: Mark 1:5; John 6:45; 8:2; Acts 21:28; 22:15; 2 Corinthians 3:2, etc., and he will find full proof of our assertion. 1 Timothy 2:4 cannot teach that God wills the salvation of all mankind or otherwise all mankind would be saved-"What His soul desireth even that He doeth" (Job 23:13)!

Again; we are asked, Does not Scripture declare, again and again, that God is no "respecter of persons"? We answer, it certainly does, and God's electing grace proves it. The seven sons of Jesse, though older and physically superior to David, are passed by, while the young shepherd-boy is exalted to Israel's throne. The scribes and lawyers pass unnoticed, and ignorant fishermen are chosen to be the Apostles of the Lamb. Divine truth is hidden from the wise and prudent and is revealed to babes instead. The great majority of the wise and noble are ignored, while the weak, the base, the despised, are called and saved. Harlots and publicans are sweetly compelled to come in to the Gospel feast while self-righteous Pharisees are suffered to perish in their immaculate morality. Truly, God is "no respecter" of persons or He would not have saved me.

That the Doctrine of Reprobation is a "hard saying" to the carnal mind is readily acknowledged-yet, is it any "harder" than that of eternal punishment? That it is clearly taught in Scripture we have sought to demonstrate, and it is not for us to pick and choose from the truths revealed in God's Word. Let those who are inclined to receive those doctrines which commend themselves to their judgment, and who reject those which they cannot fully understand, remember those scathing words of our Lord's, "O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken" (Luke 24:25): fools because slow of heart; slow of heart, not dull of head!

this doctrine which is so bitterly hated in these last days, when men will no longer "endure sound doctrine"; hated by men of lofty pretentions, but who, notwithstanding their boasted orthodoxy and much advertised piety, are not worthy to unfasten the shoes of the faithful and fearless servants of God of other days.

"O the depth of the riches both of wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out! For what hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been His counsellor? or who hath first given to Him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? For of Him, and through Him, and to Him, are all things: to whom be glory forever, Amen" (Rom. 11:33-36).*

* "Of Him"-His will is the origin of all existence; "through" or "by Him"-He is the Creator and Controller of all; "to Him"-all things promote His glory in their final end.


Many of you reading this article now are appealing with a "what about John 3:16 - it says God loves everyone and wants to save everyone!!!!!!!"

this verse doesn't say that AT ALL.
in light of the rest of the bible we know it is talking about God's elect, and also it says that one ones believing in Jesus will not perish, we know that only the elect believe the true gospel. 2 verses later, Jesus said this:

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

please also see:

I finish with a video by Monty Collier preaching the very heart of the gospel, an efficacious definite atonement for Christ's sheep.

By Chris - Author of Test All Things


Matthew 7:15
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheeps clothing, but inwardly are ravening wolves.

Matthew 7:16
Ye shall know them by their fruits.


Dave Hunt is an author and Bible commentator who has written about 30 books. Hunt was born in 1926 and was raised in J.N. Darby’s "Plymouth Brethren" denomination.

Hunt was clearly steeped at an early age in Darby’s dispensationalist views, and he would become an avid advocate of the Francisco Ribera teachings regarding Daniel 9:27.

According to Hunt, at some point he became disillusioned with the "cessationist" views of his denomination, and, for a time, he became enamored with the more charismatic views on scripture after reading the works of William Law and Andrew Murray. But sometime during the 1980’s it seems that Hunt had come full circle to a more traditional Darbyist view on scripture.As can be expected in any conspiracy/mystery, there are twists and turns.

In 1994, Dave Hunt wrote a book entitled A Woman Rides A Beast, which taught the traditional reformed views of the Catholic Church as to the woman in Revelation 17. By the middle of the 1990’s, Hunt had become a favorite of both the anti-catholic reformed thinkers, and the Darbyist dispensationalists. Hunt spent most of his time as a "heresy hunter", cementing his position in the minds of most Protestants as a defender of the faith. Once again, the Jesuit ploy was working. The defenses were down, and Loyola’s Marian war was about to come to fruition.


What Love is This, by Hunt debuted just recently as Hunt’s defense of Arminianism. Sub-titled "Calvinism's misrepresentation of God", Hunt pushes the Jesuit agenda to the hilt. In fact, in order to deceive as many Protestants as possible, Hunt uses his Jesuit inspired book to claim that the reformed doctrines of predestination and election are based on Catholic Doctrine! Amazing! But deception wouldn’t be deception unless it worked.

To write the forward of the Book, Hunt chose dispensationalist and rapturist author Tim Lahaye. LaHaye is the millionaire best-selling author of the Left Behind series of books.

Known for their hokey theology and horrible scriptural gymnastics, the Left Behind series has roped MILLIONS of people into the Jesuit theory of the end times.

LaHaye says this about Hunt’s book:"Dave Hunt… proves Calvinism is not a Protestant doctrine, but is based in Greek fatalism brought into the church in the fifth century by Augustine, paving the way for the CATHOLIC DOCTRINE of predestination that all but destroyed Christianity and then was picked up by Calvin and presented as Reformed theology."
Hunt uses a predictable ploy, and through it he is able to hoodwink most nominal Christians who are too spiritually retarded and lazy to do any research on their own.

Let’s lay it out like Hunt does:

1. Augustine was Catholic, therefore he believed in Catholic doctrines like placing tradition on a level with scripture.

2. Since Augustine believed in Predestination too, then anyone who believes in Predestination is really Catholic.

Stupid, but it works on most people. The fact that the Catholic Church in its Catechisms denounces predestination and rejects the doctrine of election does not phase Hunt one bit. The fact that the Catholic Church murdered and imprisoned the reformers for their belief in election doesn’t factor in either. The fact that Augustine also believed in the Trinity does not cause Dave Hunt to challenge that Biblical doctrine.

Like his theological father Jacobus Arminius, it seems that Dave Hunt is not above lying in order to forward his Jesuit doctrines.So the trap is sprung and the multitudes will fall prey to it. Hunt writes a book decrying Catholicism as the evil woman of Revelation 17. Then Hunt writes another book turning truth on its head and claiming that the doctrine of election is not a truly Christian doctrine, but was concocted by the Catholic Church. Simple enough, right?Must be, you ought to read my email.

I am attacked from both the Catholics and the so-called "remnant" believers because of my insistence on the Doctrines of Grace. I have received at least 20 letters from people who pompously claim that they are neither Arminians NOR Calvinists, but in fact they are somewhere "in the middle".

The Media Scientia (Middle-Knowledge) of that Jesuit monk de Molina has resurfaced from the poison pen of Dave Hunt, and the doctrine has been embraced almost universally.Not surprisingly, Hunt is also a notable friend and partner with most of those who are deep into the ecumenical movement. His buddy Tim LaHaye, who wrote the forward for his book, is on the board of ECT (Evangelicals and Catholics Together).

Hunt declares that he is NOT a "five-point" Arminian. He believes in the perseverance of the saints. So we can not only affirm that Dave Hunt is a charlatan and a deceiver, but he is also fundamentally illogical. Apparently Hunt believes that the freewill of man is sovereign over the will of God in salvation, but that subsequent to salvation, God abuses mans freewill by not allowing him to change his mind.

Catholic writer Robert W. Aufill has this to say about Hunt:

"Strangely, Hunt… does not realize that his own emphasis on ‘deciding for Christ’ inescapably implies the possibility of co-operating with the grace of justification — a possibility the Reformers constantly condemned but upon which the Catholic Church insists."

At least with Arminianism, we had a logical and clearly defined enemy. Today, pride and avarice reign. Too many people aren’t willing to study these issues for themselves, so they fall prey to millionaire charlatans with books to peddle.

Loyola’s plan has come to fruition. The Jesuit doctrines of anti-Grace have become the dominant teaching of the churches of the world.
The Woman that Rides the Beast, that mother of Harlots, has seen her offspring grow up into maturity.
The Whore churches that dot every street corner have the stench of their mother.

Those people who are NOT brain-addled and stupefied in the sugar-water Harlot Churches, are busy decrying the evil of the coming New World Order, while in ignorance they embrace the very doctrines of Antichrist.

It is the Ultimate Conspiracy, and if it were possible, it would deceive even the very elect.

Do Catholics go to heaven? You better find out, because odds are you are one.

By Michael Bunker

Romans 16:17
Now i beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

Romans 16:18
For they that are such serve NOT our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good works and fair speeches decieve the hearts of simple

Friday, April 07, 2006


false prophet


manipulative techniques and lies are constantly used by this man in order to gain funds for himself and the apostate false christianity channels such as daystar, ini and tbn.

his wife is a pastor

Speaking on the Benny Hinn show he said:
“When you give this offering angels will come into your house. Your enemies will be defeated. God will take the wealth from the unrighteous and give it to you."

Steve Munsey: “I promise when you give this Passover Offering, God is going to do a miracle…God says, ‘Go to the phone.’…God is speaking to somebody right now to give $2,000 right now!…You must go to the phone. Five $200 gifts. Go to the phone! What I’d like for you to do is, I’d like for you to put immediately something on the credit card, right now….Go to your phone. Five $200 offerings. Two $200 gift. A $400 gift. A $600 gift. The Lord is speaking! This cannot be a light blessing.”
(Steve Munsey, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn Show, March 16, 2005)

“Hezekiah turns his face, if I can do this. He turns his face, the Bible says, ‘To the wall.’ He starts weeping and prays this prayer and he says these words, ‘Lord, I pray now that you will remember what I did for you.’ All of the sudden, God says, ‘What did he do for me?’ And it dawned on Him [God] he restored the Passover Offering…” (See Isaiah 38-39)(Steve Munsey, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn Show, March 16, 2005)

It dawned on God?
This is blasphemy!
Nothing dawns on the All Knowing King of the Universe!
“Great is our Lord, and of great power: his understanding is infinite,” Psalm 147:5.

“He [God] said, ‘Tell the people to give five $200 offerings. And He said, ‘Give three $200 offerings, two $200 offerings.”
(Steve Munsey, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn Show, March 16, 2005)

“If they stand before Me [God] empty handed, there will be no angel that will protect them! No angel to lead them to their miracle. Their sickness will stay in their body and I [God] will not be able to fight their enemies nor give them longevity of life…”
(Steve Munsey, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn Show, March 16, 2005)

“God said to tell them to give five $200 offerings.”
(Steve Munsey, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn Show, January 20, 2005)

“The Holy Spirit said, ‘Tell the people I want them to give $1,000.”
(Steve Munsey, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn Show, January 20, 2005)

“The Holy Spirit spoke to me and said these words, He said, ‘Tell the people to give a $1,000 offering.’ And I said, ‘Now, Lord, there’s going to be many people that, that, when I say that their going to say,’ Aww, I can’t do that.’ No, He said, ‘You tell them to give five $200 offerings.’”
(Steve Munsey, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn Show, January 20, 2005)

“You call that number. You call that number and this is what you do. I need you to put the first $200, the Lord is speaking to me strongly. I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Put it on the credit card right now!”
(Steve Munsey, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn Show, January 20, 2005)

“The Spirit of the Lord is upon me and the Prophetic Word. No telling what is going to happen. I’m to people that are going to get inheritances. I’m talking about in the next 10 days, 50 days there’s going to be things that are going to happen. But, that will not happen until you put your offering on the altar.”
(Steve Munsey, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn Show, January 20, 2005)

“Go get an envelope. For goodness sake! Please listen to what the Lord is saying…I want you to go get an envelope. I want you to write this address down. I want you right now, stop everything and write that check and move it into the mail!…The mailbox is where your going. That’s your next stop!”
(Steve Munsey, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn Show, January 20, 2005)

“If you want prosperity you must speak it…It’s not up to God or the Devil, it’s up to you!”
(Steve Munsey, LeSea Network, April 24, 2004, ‘Speak To Your Future’)

Steve Munsey: And I want to tell you that God is speaking right now! You need to go to the phones…Immediately get this on the altar…The Spirit of the Lord is speaking strongly. There is someone watching right now, the Lord is speaking and He said, ‘If you say it I will do it.’ I’m going to say it, ‘$79,000.’ God is speaking to people to give $79.00. God is speaking to people to give $790.00. As quick as you can get it on the altar. Something in the heavenlies is going to open up and there is going to be a supply of supernatural. And there is going to be double portion that is going to overtake your life. I feel it strong!
Benny Hinn: I do too, I tell you! Well, do it now! Do it today! Call the number on your screen and sow that seed or send it in the mail.
Steve Munsey: Can they put it on a credit card possibly?
Benny Hinn: Yes, absolutely they can!Steve Munsey: Because the speedier they can get it on the altar. It is a moment and it probably is going to be the greatest that we have ever had!(Steve Munsey, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn Show, August 27, 2004)

“The Holy Spirit spoke to me and said, ‘Tell the people, tell the people that they are to go and they are to give. They are to give a $79.00 offering…”
(Steve Munsey, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn Show, August 27, 2004)

“I would suggest to everyone right now and you need to get on the phone. I don’t know if they have phone numbers on the screen. You need to call and say, ‘I’m going to give the $79.00. I’m going to give the $790.00′….And I’m going to prophesy, ‘The next six months, the power, the most powerful double portion is going to happen.”
(Steve Munsey, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn Show, August 27, 2004)

“Now there’s, there’s, let me show you something else that the Lord is speaking. There are people that are watching that the Lord is speaking to give $790.00. There are businesses, now let me tell you something about businesses. There are business men that God is speaking to, to give $7,900 in the name of your business.”
(Steve Munsey, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn Show, August 27, 2004)

“We are going to give. When you give today you are putting it on the altar. A few minutes ago the Spirit of the Lord spoke to me and said, ‘Tell the people that when they give that I’m going to do the same thing that I did to Job. I’m going to put a double portion on their life’…Anybody want double portion on your life? I can’t hear you. Anybody want double portion on your life?…The Bible says, ‘When Job gave the offering,’ the Bible said, ‘That’s when God responded!…The Lord spoke to me and said, ‘Tell the people to give a $77.00 offering or a $7.00 offering or a $700.00 offering’…There’s a double portion going to come upon your life…God I’m putting this on the altar so we can have revival. So that we can have a mighty move of your Spirit in this nation. We claim it! We speak it!…”
(Steve Munsey, “America for Jesus,” Daystar Television, October 22, 2004)

“We must understand God’s seasons, especially concerning the Atonement offering in Leviticus 23. Right now we are moving into such an important time. This is a very special time in history. If we understand when the harvest is coming and actively move toward receiving that harvest by standing before Him with an offering, God will pour out an overwhelming blessing from September through Easter. And I believe the Holy Spirit has told me to tell the people of God to send Atonement offerings in multiples of 79—$79, $790, $7900 and even some for $79,000—whatever the Lord places on your heart, to participate in this coming harvest. This can shake the nations.”
(Steve Munsey, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn Show, August 27, 2004)

“Let me tell you something, when I’m poor I’m not spiritual.”
(Steve Munsey, Daystar Share-A-Thon, September 13, 2004)

“What you speak is where you are going.”
(Steve Munsey, LeSea Network, April 24, 2004, ‘Speak To Your Future’)

“All of you are going somewhere today. It’s by your tongue…All of you are where you are by your tongue..What you believe is what you speak…Speak your future into existence.”
(Steve Munsey, LeSea Network, April 24, 2004, ‘Speak To Your Future’)

“I’m not trying to manipulate you. This is a Word from God…What I’m giving is a valid revelatory word.”
(Steve Munsey, LeSea Network, Miracle Telethon, May 4, 2004)

“The Lord is speaking right now! There is a business man who needs to call and give $500 a month for six months. When you do God will dispatch an angel to your business and bless it a hundredfold.”
(Steve Munsey, LeSea Network, Miracle Telethon, May 4, 2004)

“The Lord is speaking to business people to give $500 a month for six months and God will dispatch an angel to your house and your business. God is going to take that angel and lead you to your miracle.”
(Steve Munsey, LeSea Network, Miracle Telethon, May 4, 2004)

“God has an miracle that you don’t know anything about. God has a miracle waiting on you. All it takes is a Passover offering ($50 a month for six months).”
(Steve Munsey, LeSea Network, Miracle Telethon, May 4, 2004)

“Go to your phone! Right now! God is saying, ‘When you give the Passover offering I will dispatch an angel. Sickness will be taken away.”
(Steve Munsey, LeSea Network, Miracle Telethon, May 4, 2004)

“This might be the very offering that God has been waiting for to bless you with prosperity.”
(Steve Munsey, LeSea Network, Miracle Telethon, May 4, 2004)

“God will give longevity of life if you give an offering.”
(Steve Munsey, LeSea Network, Miracle Telethon, May 4, 2004)

“God said, ‘Stand before me and don’t stand empty handed.’”
(Steve Munsey, LeSea Network, Miracle Telethon, May 4, 2004)

“An angel is going to visit you during this broadcast if you listen to me. God is going to dispatch an angel to your bedside or wherever you are.”
(Steve Munsey, LeSea Network, Miracle Telethon, May 4, 2004)

“God said, ‘If you give the Passover offering I will do seven things.’”
(Steve Munsey, LeSea Network, Miracle Telethon, May 4, 2004)

“God said, ‘Stand before me with an offering and I will do seven things.’”
(Steve Munsey, LeSea Network, Miracle Telethon, May 4, 2004)

These seven lies are:
1) An angel sent.
2) Cuts your enemies off.
3) Blesses job.
4) Take sickness.
5) Longevity of life.
6) Increase.
7) Inheritance.

“When God had seen what Hezekiah had done for him, He could not deny him.” Steve was alluding to King Hezekiah and insinuating that if we give some money God will have to answer our prayer!
(Steve Munsey, LeSea Network, Miracle Telethon, May 4, 2004)

“This is a Word of God. He wanted you to hear it so He could put the finishing touches on your life with the Passover offering.”
(Steve Munsey, LeSea Network, Miracle Telethon, May 4, 2004)

“Anybody who is sick this is going to heal you.”
(Steve Munsey, LeSea Network, Miracle Telethon, May 4, 2004)

By Chris - Jesus' Boy